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paprad

That NYT article took me back to this one by Olivia Judson, on the evils of sitting

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/23/stand-up-while-you-read-this/

apparently it is not just the caloric difference between sitting and standing that matters - prolonged sitting actually alters the ...

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Thanks! I got myself a pedometer last month and was mortified to find out how little I walk. Attempts to ramp it up rapidly failed, rapidly. Sigh. I was just reading a review of Pedometer walking by Mark Fenton - mentioned in another post - and I think I will begin again and try this week by week ...

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Among other rants in Fit for Life, Harvey Diamond says that man is the only animal that continues to drink milk after being weaned. Um, I guess, man is also the only animal that cooks food.

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KCCC wrote: Food is love. Try to give the love - lots of it - even when you refuse the food.

Thanks KCCC - I think it has been easier for me to eat and indulge her than to work on the love minus the food element Something for me to think about.

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Thanks, all, for the mother-advice! I live in another city from my mum - once a year she comes and lives with us for 2 months and while I used to battle her "food is love" when it became oppressive, I fear I have sort of indulged her in the last couple of years since my dad died - she is lonely and ...

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Prapad, what exactly is your mother's criticism of No S? Are family occasions all day eating affairs? Are sweets mandatory? You can eat anything except sweets on N days, just as long as they're eaten at meals, unless you are adding rules. But those are yours, not No S's. I think this is one of the ...

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I thought I would face some resistance from my family (which doesn't have the obesity problem that I do) but it so happened that my husband was advised to let go of a 3-4 kg of extra weight (yes, that's all. I hate him. :) ) and my son's last pediatric check up (he's 12) suggested he was putting ...

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OT - from what I read, intermittent fasting could either be the 24 hour (or 36 hour) fasts that you do - or alternately, there could be a compressed eating window in which one fasts for say 18 hours and eats meals within 6 hours - I figure there are pros and cons for both types - what drew you to ...

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OT, once again, much thanks. I really appreciate your taking the trouble to share your experiences and your understanding of the fasting system.

So far I have done only one fast a week, so, yes, I do plan to ease into it. I didn't find the 24 hour fast awful, but neither was it a breeze, so that's ...

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Don't give up..

As an experiment, try doing 5 mins of moderate intensity bodyweight exercises like push ups and squat thrusts on a fasting day when you feel the MOST tired. If you do start to feel dizzy or whatever you can always stop!
OT - thanks so much for your words of encouragement. I am ...

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Pepper, in the thread on fasting I had posted some links to intermittent fasting - you might like to check them out. Also look at www.leangains.com where he shows how eating fewer meals is used in conjunction with strength training.

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Paprad, this sounds very unfortunate: I'm very intrigued by what you say. Did you lose weight following the fast but then put it back on, or are you saying you didn't lose any weight during the fast? Did your level of physical activity remain the same? I find it hard to understand how no weight was ...

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I must add that my 2 rounds of 24 hour fasting and nearly a month of NoS (admittedly, with many reds, but also many greens) has done nothign to shake my weight - sigh. I read that fasting would help bring down at least 1/2 pound of fat loss per week - and I was careful not to binge in my post-fast ...

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Nuts -- I used to have a handfull with my evening coffee. And for the first week I quite missed them - but now I've gotten used to not having this.

To some degree, fruit - well, I try to eat as part of the plate - but earlier I had fruit as snacks all the time - and so, the sheer quantity and ...

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I think that the result of intermittent fasting may well be that you don't worry so much about a delayed meal.
Yes, i also felt that way. I had a longish break today between brekker and lunch and usually I would've had massive pangs - I did feel hungry but having done without food for 24 hours ...

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Isn't it also true that, if you eat a substantial evening meal, you won't have had enough time to work up a decent appetite by breakfast time? I've certainly read the recommendation to reduce the evening meal if you want to enjoy breakfast.
Yes, the "eat like a pauper" thing. also the advice to ...

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.. found that the more substantial my breakfast is, the more likely I am to want to overeat and/or snack the rest of the day. I'm much better off not eating breakfast or eating something very light.

That's true for me as well. Also when I peer into the dim and distant past when I was very slim ...

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Paprad,
It wasn't until recently,when I started experimenting with 30-36hr fasts that I began to psychologically detach myself from food.
OT, thanks - your experiences are inspiring. I am definitely far from detachment - but interestingly, I found that my brief fasting experience has helped me at ...

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I did my second 24 hour fast - and OT is right, the last 2 hours were the worst, I was practically drooling just visualizing my dinner.

I read this interview : http://avidityfitness.net/2008/01/12/interview-martin-berkhan/

This is a routine which recommends a daily fast and a smaller eating ...

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Thanks OT. Look forward to hearing how your 36 hour fast worked out

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OT - one doubt I had re Eat Stop Eat. It's basically a 24 hour fast, as I figure it - you can determine the start and stop time based on convenience. Does it also mean that on the "eat" days, you eat less meals? One one blog, I think that of Eades', it says you can eat dinner on one day and ...

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Graham wrote:.....IF is potentially very damaging to many vested interests who wouldn't be averse to funding research to discourage it.

True, Pilon says somewhere that if you do a meta-analysis of all research studies and check who's funding what - you get a healthy skepticism of the findings.

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For those interested, here are a couple more links

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2008/03/02/postponing-death-caloric-restriction-vs-intermittent-fasting-part-1/

and

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2008/03/03/real-life-extension-caloric-restriction-or-intermittent-fasting-part-2 ...

paprad

wosnes wrote:Regular milk is not a snack. In fact, it's one of the things you can have between meals. Chocolate milk is generally considered a sweet and/or snack.

Would that mean that milk has to be had unsweetened? Because sugar in tea/coffee is allowed, so why not sugar in milk?

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That is my guess at what makes ESE different - zero calories with no exceptions while you are fasting.
Yes, I think so too. Which is why I was reluctant to give into my fantasy of low-carb cucumber meal when I was fasting. The theory says somewhere that the fat burning kicks into action only ater ...

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I've always interpreted religious use of it as a way to purposely make people suffer in sympathy with trials of a revered one, to downplay the importance of the body rather than the spirit, and to engender greater gratitude for the gift of food. I'm very willing for it to have other advantages as ...

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Kathleen, All the very best - I am sure you will find the experience a rewarding one. I told myself that even if I didn't last out, the sensations I would feel and my response to these would both yield learning about my body and they did. I plan to give it another go on Friday.

OT, thanks for ...

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I feel no more hunger on a fasting day than I do when I'm eating 3 meals, if each contains noticeably less than I want to eat.
That's true - I feel hungry today, am on vanilla NoS and I find myself needing to exert more control on myself than I did yesterday while fasting. I felt empty yesterday ...

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Kathleen, your thread prompted me to do an orgy of googling on Eat Stop Eat, and I decided to give 24 hour fasting a try. My family was quite disapproving - the theories against fasting are so widely spread - but I assured my husband that I was at home all day and if I felt dizzy or something, I ...

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Thanks Reinhard. I've been trying that out this week. Eating fruit after the dinner, I find, makes it very pleasurable, almost like a treat. Eating it before, on the other hand, helps me eat even less dinner, so I find myself stopping even before my plate is empty.

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Thanks for your thoughts, oolala. The tip regarding dried fruits is quite apt - I tend to overdo them because they are small and deceptively loaded. I enjoy muesli with dried fruit and as I read your mail I realized that could be a hidden source of eating fruit as well, which I hadn't counted.

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Many cultures here in India have periodic fasting as part of the routine. These are typically for religious purposes - almost like a penance, or as a kind of offering for marital bliss. So they are not so popular among the modern and the young, but a large number still do these. I have known those ...

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Thanks wosnes and idon'tknow - I tried that today for lunch. It's mango season here in India and they are simply too delish to avoid, so I firmly had a smaller lunch so I could have some chunks of mango as part of the meal. I also realized that it was after aeons that I ate mango without guilt ...

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Thanks, Too solid flesh - we saw lots of elephants and deer and wild boar and I tried not to notice that they seemed to spend all their time eating. :D

The buffet tip is a good one - on day 1 I found I was loading up and feeling overwhelmed - after a couple of days I tried to be more picky with ...

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KCCC, thank you. That is a hugely useful post.

paprad

During my snacking days I ate a lot of fruit as snacks - under the misguided belief that it was okay to eat healthy stuff. I'd vacuum up a large mango or a huge bowl of grapes or a couple of bananas and feel virtuous. Now that snacking isn't an option, I am in a bit of a quandary re fruit. On one ...

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After a fairly encouraging first week (many reds, but a lot of learning), I left with my family for a long awaited holiday - which had many days of long driving and days with strange timings (we went on a wild-life safari, which meant meal times went awry). I thought I'd be able to stick to NoS, but ...

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Get the habit down first and then consider things like nutrition and portions -- if they turn out to be a problem. One of the things that no s does for you--one of the most important things is to get you out of the diet mentality.
This was the same advice given to me on another thread, and I found ...

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I went pretty crazy last week exactly at that time. For the last so many years, I have had a "healthy" snack with my coffee - maybe nuts, or a fruit. I think it's mostly psychological, but the yawning gap between lunch and dinner started obsessing me. Last eve I had a glass of milk - and that helped ...

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Just wanted to add my appreciation for all the replies I got. The principles of NoS apart, I am so delighted to have found this forum - the support is amazing. Thank you, all.

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Thanks, DaveMc, that's very sensible advice

paprad

Here's something I heard as a kid (that I regretfully never followed) :

The best exercise is to shake your head slowly from side to side when contemplating seconds.

paprad

uhoh, I just read this in Reinhard's podcast on S Days

For the rest of you, before I discuss S-days in themselves, I'd just like to emphasize that you should not worry about S-days AT ALL until you've got your N-days down. If you can't go a month without having more than 1 or two botched N-days ...

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I interpreted the (sometimes) that followed the exception for S days as being a number of S events. I'd guess the actual number of S events that would work for each individual would depend on that person's specific circumstance. For myself, given that I have a huge amount of weight to lose - and ...

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Wosnes...Do you mean to say that you take up to only 2 events a week? As I understand this, it is only having, let's say for instance, a dessert on Monday and perhaps seconds on Thurs. and the rest of the week is much like Vanilla No S with a light breakfast and lunch?

Yes, that's pretty much ...

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Sorry, everyone, I realized a tad belatedly that I have goofed and replied to a topic rather than started a topic of my own. I have been lurking for a few days and I found this such a hugely supportive forum, I thought I'd pipe in. I guess it will take me a little while to read all the threads and ...

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Hi, I stumbled onto Everyday Systems when I was intrigued by Shovelglove - and it inspired me to go and get one made immediately (where I live in India, sledgehammers aren't easy to buy) - and then found the NoS diet. It went so against all the wisdom I had learnt about snacking - it really made me ...

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