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BrightAngel

The less active you are, the less you need to sustain your body.
The older you are the less you eat,
the shorter you are, etc.

There are many studies conducted that do say a person who dieted down to one weight vs a person that doesn't diet
is that weight both need to consume different amounts ...

BrightAngel

Dropped by to say "Hi".

BrightAngel

A quote I recently heard seems to apply here:

"If I could only get back the years that I spent trying to extend my life."

BrightAngel

It is a common assumption that there are very few morbidly obese people older than 65, but you might be surprised to learn how many "healthy" morbidly obese older people there are here in the world.

The anti-fat bias in our society often causes people to believe and state things that just aren't ...

BrightAngel

There are lots of "health-at-every-size" people, and "size-acceptance" coaches that can be found online who are working to help people with that issue. Buut the world, and especially our own current western culture, has a severe anti-fat bias, to which all of us are exposed to continually every ...

BrightAngel

For Me, personally, the answer is No. My own belief is that it is necessary to lose the weight obsession before the food obsession goes. According to current research, if we can actually stop caring about our own size, and whether we are fat or thin, thoughts of food and it's importance in our life ...

BrightAngel

Yes. Due to increasing age, and decreasing activity often due to aging, our metabolism becomes a bit lower every year, which means that in order to even stay the same weight, we need to take in a bit less food every year. For most weight-challenged older people, it is a chore to keep from gaining ...

BrightAngel

After re-reading the anti-snacking sections of the No S Diet book for about the millionth time, I dropped by the forum to see how folks are doing here. I was pleased to see a few of my old friends have made some recent comments. Then I looked up my old thread and found out I hadn't updated here for ...

BrightAngel

Hi Tex Ark. Dropped by to check out the forum, and was glad to see you here again.

BrightAngel

I just re-read the anti-snacking portions of the No S book again for what seems like the millionth time. Dropped by to check on a few people, and was happy to see you here. Snacking has always been a giant problem for me, and my plan for today is to limit my food to 3 small saucer meals.

BrightAngel

oolala53 wrote: Gawd I love to hear myself write.

I, also, love to hear you write.

BrightAngel

Just wanted to let you know that I always enjoy reading your thoughts.

Thanks for sharing them.

BrightAngel

I believe that we each have to find our own way;
that it's not a one-size-fits-all-world;
people are different from each other;
and although every diet works for SOME people,
no diet works for ALL people.

I think it's great that you are willing to keep trying new things.

BrightAngel

Great Post.

BrightAngel

What really cured me of worrying too much about it was a comment by a favorite writer of mine
about humans and their adaptability.
The comment was, " Humans can stay alive where a goat would starve. "

True. And while there is a difference between surviving and thriving,
I am really increasingly ...

BrightAngel

Great Job!!!

BrightAngel

Hi, even with a small gain, it looks like you are still doing well, overall.

BrightAngel

Just had to add this as it came up on another page.

Not an ad! Just presenting a book title proposed to me in an email.

Thou Shalt Not Eat: How Diet Gurus and the Media Use Bad Science to Make You Fat, Fearful, and Coming Back for More .
oolala, This book was free on Kindle for me. I read it ...

BrightAngel

Hi Guys,
Iâ€™m including No S in my latest personal diet experiment.
For details SEE:

http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v& ... Boundaries

BrightAngel

I think Brightangel might agree that calorie counting (and all it takes to adhere to limits) is a hobby, since her site is called Diet Hobby.

I got to the point at which I thought of it as a part-time job, not a hobby. Just unpaid.

I'm a bit of a hypocrite in that I've spent just about as much ...

BrightAngel

Intuitive Eating is -- Eat only when you are Hungry...then eat whatever food you want....but only until you are Satisfied, not Full. It is impossible to eat Intuitively without Mindfulness. Actually... it requires LESS MINDFULNESS to eat 3 one-plate meals with no snacks daily.

Mindfulness is ...

BrightAngel

Hi, KCCC.

BrightAngel

leafy_greens wrote: There's nothing wrong with thinking about what you want to eat next,
as long as you don't eat food every time you think about it.

Good Advice.

BrightAngel

Weight loss is very unlikely to replace the pleasure and role of food.
If it did, then no one would start refeeding and gain the weight back.
Only pleasure in the new lifestyle and other behaviors,
. . . . and "thinking" is a behavior, . . . .
can replace the quick and easy fix of food.
So Very ...

BrightAngel

Though Reinhard doesn't talk overtly about true hunger, it is certainly implied that eventually,
you will often be hungry for your meals and not be too full when you finish them.
This will eventually be true on S days, too.

You may have to purposely adjust the ratio of light and heavy foods ...

BrightAngel

oolala, good post.

BrightAngel

The group is vegetarian, so you can imagine.
I got no problem in an atmosphere like this.
My polenta with veggies stewed in tomato sauce and white beans over my salad greens isn't that far off from meals I'd make myself.
I find your reaction to the eating experience in a vegetarian group ...

BrightAngel

It's very similar to NoS so I hope you don't mind me sharing.
I've been lurking here for a while but didn't want to post because I'm not actually on the NoS diet.
Good Job, :)
Sounds like you have a great plan for yourself.
Over the years there have been quite a few people
who've posted ...

BrightAngel

herbsgirl wrote:Back from vacation and back on track! I have been counting bites close to 8 1/2 months now!

Todays weight 148.4 lbs

Inside 5 lb Maintenance Range of 144.5 to 149.5

Herbsgirl, Congratulations
on your Vacation and overall bite-counting success.

BrightAngel

ironchef,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on that Diet Review.
Yes, certainly the waste issue could well be a sticking point for that way-of-eating, ... or way-of-not-eating.

Many people and societies consider wasting food a moral issue.
The abundance of food available to us here in our ...

BrightAngel

wosnes wrote:There's a lot of pseudoscience out there.
There's also a lot of personal opinion injected into shaky science.

wosnes, So True!

BrightAngel

oolala53 wrote:I wonder if you've ever considered it worth your while to determine
a reason why the threads of some of the least successful members on this board
get 10-20 times more attention than others.

oolala,
That's a really interesting issue.
I'll need to think about that awhile.

BrightAngel

CAUTION:

http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=1042

Some might consider this article to be Supportive of Eating Disorders,
so read at your own risk.

BrightAngel

oolala53 wrote:BrightAngel, you can step in anytime with your manta about "hard."

Losing Weight is Hard.
Maintaining Weight-Loss is Hard.
Being Fat is Hard.
Choose your Hard!

BrightAngel

herbsgirl wrote: I am all about whatever helps me stick to it long term

I agree with you totally.

BrightAngel

Weight-loss is Hard.
Weight-loss Maintenance is Hard.
Being Fat is Hard.
Choose Your Hard.

SEE: http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=1030

BrightAngel

I know you're familiar with that 5-bite diet Theory about consistent volume = little hunger.
In the past, have you experimented with making all meals the same size volume?
It looks like your choice is to vary the volume of the food in your meals, small breakfast, mid-size lunch, larger dinner.
I ...

BrightAngel

I have a long battle with diet soda.
I really want to quit but never seem to be able to.
I'm toying with the idea of including the soda in the no sweets, no snacks, no seconds list. Sounds like a bad idea to me.
A waste of a potential modification.
Hear or read what Reinhart's podcasts have to ...

BrightAngel

Here is something that I Previously posted on the general Thread, [/b]
"What would you say to your younger self?"

I was a normal weight child with a very obese paternal grandmother,
and my parents were very afraid that I would "take after her".

They taught me that being "fat" was a horribly ...

BrightAngel

I was a normal weight child with a very obese paternal grandmother,
and my parents were very afraid that I would "take after her".

They taught me that being "fat" was a horribly unacceptable thing,
and even when I had a normal-size healthy child's body,
before any adolescent weight-gain,
they ...

BrightAngel

elegentportions,

It looks like you are on the right track.

BrightAngel

greatpumpkin1 wrote: As some have pointed out, studies often contradict each other,
but that in and of itself is good information to have.

Yes.

BrightAngel

Previously posted on the General Thread:

That's because studies can be set up to prove anything a researcher wants to prove.
..... so true .....

:P A biologist, a physician, and a statistician went deer hunting together.
When a deer appeared, the biologist shot 15 foot to the right of the ...

BrightAngel

That's because studies can be set up to prove anything a researcher wants to prove.
..... so true .....

:P A biologist, a physician, and a statistician went deer hunting together.
When a deer appeared, the biologist shot 15 foot to the right of the deer.
The physician shot 15 foot to the left ...

BrightAngel

James Bond a (fictional) example of:
a young, strong and athletic, extremely active, tall, normal-weight male.
SO...... clearly... older, shorter, inactive females can eat FAR LESS than the example given.

BrightAngel

mackinac19 wrote: We are all free to eat exactly as we choose.

It's great to be part of an accepting, supportive, non-judgmental forum.
Thanks to everyone for keeping it that way.

BrightAngel

Isn't that No S, though?
Three meals a day, no snacking,
in the beginning you probably have some pretty big plates,
but that's ok just no vertical stacking?
It is in the book. Although 3 meals a day is the suggested number,
Reinhard is fine with people having a different specified number,
2 or ...

BrightAngel

...(very low calorie diets) can be extremely dangerous in the long term.
I feel that they should only be done in certain circumstances...
the "5 Bite Diet" ... is not in the spirit of No-S,
which offers a simple system for eating in moderation. Let's not Put Down the eating choices of others ...

BrightAngel

the habit I trained was N days
because habit is what you do most days
and N days are most days.
Looks like you were one of the people
who naturally gravitated to "S" day SOMETIMES behavior.
On the other hand, I, was one of the many people who did not.

I edited my post to read "one" habit ...

BrightAngel

wosnes wrote:One of the problems with all the studies, information and theories we constantly see
is that they encourage us to become concerned about something that should be of no concern.

Yes.

BrightAngel

It sounds to me like you gave Vanilla No S quite a lot of time.
Successful "S" days consist of deviation from N day behavior SOMETIMES ,
with those deviations being minor except for special times like major holidays.

Some people do seem to manage to gravitate naturally to that behavior.
Many ...

BrightAngel

I have to say that even during the times I gave up on No S ...
I kept coming back to these boards.
I've never seen a more supportive weight loss forum
and I know it's helping me stick to No S.
http://images.netrition.com/lcf/images/smilies/highfive2.gif I agree.
Congratulations to all for ...

BrightAngel

I believe that my set point is different than it was before No S.
In year one I lost 45 lbs, and I easily maintained that loss for the next two years .
I am still overweight but not in the obese range .
I would argue that I have a new set point based on gradual behavioral and physiological ...

BrightAngel

Re-posted from a General Thread.

Bright Angel Thank you for the time you have taken to respond.

I am interested in your statement that your set point is still at around 270
due to your past weight history.

Do you feel that this will never lower?
I have always wondered if our bodies would ...

BrightAngel

Bright Angel Thank you for the time you have taken to respond.

I am interested in your statement that your set point is still at around 270
due to your past weight history.

Do you feel that this will never lower?
I have always wondered if our bodies would keep the highest set point
or if after ...

BrightAngel

I disagree with your following statement with regard to setpoint:

"... there's no way to maintain a reasonable weight without constantly fighting your own body ..."

heatherhikes, your quote leaves out the Very Important qualifier in my statement.
My statement was: I've learned that after your ...

BrightAngel

oolala53 wrote: But just because I'm not hungry doesn't mean I don't have the desire to eat.

Oolala, so very true.

BrightAngel

Hi HerbGirl,
I read your recent blog, and think that your choice to allow sweets,
but just cap the number is a very wise one.
You are doing Great in Maintenance, and I enjoy watching your efforts.

BrightAngel

herbsgirl wrote:So Do What Works For YOU!
That is what will make you successful in the long term!!!

Yay for Habits, for they are powerful things!

So Very True !

BrightAngel

BA, I know from experience (having a long diet history)
that practicing the NoS principles eventually becomes habit, then a lifestyle --
if I don't give up. It is great you've been able to create a habit out of the basic, "vanilla" No S.
I congratulation you on your success.

It is not a one ...

BrightAngel

I'm very curious about this counting bites system.
Does it not go against the idea of the No S Diet?
Where you have an eating method that is extremely simple -just 3 plates a day.

Isn't counting bites similar to counting calories,
you start with a base and then shave it down?
I'm just trying ...

BrightAngel

BA, as someone who has not (?) and does not practice NoS,
I believe you aren't qualified to state the above.
It may apply to your personal situation but cannot/shouldn't be generalized. heatherhikes...
You misunderstand and mis-state my No S position.
I am a long-time user of No S.
I've been ...

BrightAngel

the body's battle to defend it's initial setpoint
may be stronger than your relatively new habits ....
..result in me working against my setpoint, which is ultimately self-defeating. Working against your set-point doesn't HAVE to be ultimately self-defeating...
...as long as one consistently ...

BrightAngel

herbsgirl wrote:I received my book today that tells about The Mouthful Diet
I am thinking of doing a short review of the book as a blog post.

Good Idea, I'll look forward to reading your review.

BrightAngel

automatedeating wrote:I think a system has to be "easy" enough to be successful,
or we just discourage ourselves from any effort at all.

I agree

BrightAngel

Who here counts bites?
Saw something about it today on Dr. Oz.which sounded really extreme.
Herbsgirl has been very successful with counting bites in combination with No S.
Her plan is less radical than the 5-bite diet recently shown on Dr. Oz,
but is similar in principle.

I put Herbgirl's ...

BrightAngel

I've been here many years now and seen so many new people all excited about these same things
only to have them basically disappear as the months have gone on.

I think one of the hardest issues to overcome with any eating change is that it's going to get easy soon and stay easy.
The odds of ...

BrightAngel

Thanks eschano.

If you are interested, my blog, DietHobby has lots more information
about me and my ideas,
as well as many videos and recipes that I've created.

BrightAngel

Would you say you frequently eat three times a day or does that vary?
I take it you rarely make much of a change in whatever guidelines
you're using just because it's an S day.
What situations merit extra food or normally limited food types for you?
Just curious.

No hurry for an answer. I ...

BrightAngel

I agree that those who are seriously obese need something more limiting than No S.
Maybe Reinhard should have stated something like that somewhere.

Out of curiosity, what percentage would you say of those with above-normal BMI"s are seriously obese?
I'm pretty sure the morbidly obese comprise ...

BrightAngel

PREVIOUSLY POSTED ON GENERAL THREAD:

Over the past 6 years, I've seen lots of people disappear who use "S" days as "cheat" days.
Even after 6 months to 1 year of "vanilla" noS, most of the obese people who use "S" days as "cheat Days
never seem to be able to stop their weekend Bingeing without ...

BrightAngel

BrightAngel, I realize that I'm not sure what point you were trying to make.
Is it that it seems the truly obese do not seem to be able to have the freedom of S days evolve naturally into moderation?
That when told that they should just let go on those days until the overeating decreases without ...

BrightAngel

Over the past 6 years, I've seen lots of people disappear who use "S" days as "cheat" days.
Even after 6 months to 1 year of "vanilla" noS, most of the obese people who use "S" days as "cheat Days
never seem to be able to stop their weekend Bingeing without making some corrective modifications ...

BrightAngel

goldbuy02 wrote:

SPAM

BrightAngel

How do I do that? How do I keep the faith?
I need to stick to No S and to trust that it works.
Anyone have any tips for doing that
--how I can crowd out all the "diet" voices in my head telling me there's a better way?
We all have to find our own way, and many people are content with "Vanilla ...

BrightAngel

I wonder if people who get into other professions and decide they don't like it feel as bad about it as ex-teachers do?
I know this is true for many in the Legal Profession. http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/images/smilies/hug.gif
Most of my fellow lawyers were like me, surprised to find they ...

BrightAngel

I was under the impression that appetite decreased in those another 15 years older than I,
so I'm not sure that's what mine is about, but it's not out of the question.
But I'm getting more used to the idea of cooperating with it or putting my money where my mouth is
and getting more serious ...

BrightAngel

Happened to be browsing a person's weight trend chart that has a section that shows observations on the data. Hers says recently,

X is gaining 0.5 lbs/week of total weight.
She is burning 253 cal/day less than she eats.

Of course, it's very possible her weight gain is her body retaining water ...

BrightAngel

herbsgirl wrote: The most important thing is to stay CONSISTENT every day with whatever you do,
that is what gets you results in the long term

So true.
To build and maintain eating habits that will lead to weight-loss results,
we need to be Consistently Aware of all of our food behaviors.

BrightAngel

Ever feel like you take yourself too seriously?
Sometimes it just feels good to laugh about myself and my problems of overeating and obesity.
http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v& ... ver_Funny?

BrightAngel

Help with Habit Building
I've found Fighting the Urge , a 23 page e-book, which is available as a free download,
is a very helpful tool to help me deal with my overeating urges.
For more information SEE:
http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=970&topic=Fighting_the_Urge_-_Book_Review

BrightAngel

Oolala53, The link given here is to the Book Review which I wrote today,
so I feel fairly certain that it hasn't been posted here before.
At the end of my article I provide the code for the free e-book download.

I've not seen that code in any other post here on No S.
but as you say, "No matter ...

BrightAngel

Help with Habit Building
I've found Fighting the Urge , a 23 page e-book, which is available as a free download,
to be very helpful tool to help me deal with my overeating urges.
For more information SEE:
http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=970&topic=Fighting_the_Urge_-_Book_Review

BrightAngel

Loved the instruction article. Great ideas, Thanks.

BrightAngel

You're doing well.

Good job!

BrightAngel

herbsgirl wrote:Just think, I get to enjoy all these delicous homemade foods,
just by limiting my portion size, and counting bites.

herbsgirl, Way to Go !

BrightAngel

Here's my take on Healthy Eating.
If you can tolerate Profanity, watch amusing video at the end.
http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=967

BrightAngel

people can convince themselves that they are following No S
if they consistently stack their plates high no matter what their real hunger is.
No S cannot help you defy the laws of chemistry.
You still have to eat less than you need if you are going to lose weight,
and you are going to have to ...

BrightAngel

Congratulations. Great job!

BrightAngel

I'm looking forward to watching you in maintenance.

BrightAngel

No matter how simple any plan is, the truth is that
we have developed HABITS of eating that are not going to just go away
just because we make a decision when there is no urge to eat.

Food is naturally reinforcing
and our brains are not going to forego those fleeting pleasures without a bit of ...

BrightAngel

An excellent new book - just published (March 4, 2014)
is The Diet Fix by Dr. Yoni Freedhoff.

His concepts work very well with No S.

BrightAngel

I have now completed another 12 weeks. Actually, today starts Week 26.

Committing to 12 more weeks of the delights of NoS. Down ~8 pounds in 6 months. That will take me to 36 weeks of NoSing.

Hard to imagine that not so long ago I was someone that "needed" to eat every 2 hours or I'd get nauseous ...

BrightAngel

:P Some of you may be interested in this article.
It also contains a link to a previous article & comments about No S.

http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=948

Note re Link to past No S article:
Due to technical changes made to repair a Hacking back in 2012,
a few of the comments ...

BrightAngel

:P Some of you may be interested in this article.
It also contains a link to a previous article & comments about No S.

http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=948

Note re Link to past No S article:
Due to technical changes made to repair a Hacking back in 2012,
a few of the comments ...

BrightAngel

It sounds like you are making wise choices during this very difficult Life Event.
You will thank youself for this even more in the future.

BrightAngel

For My Update See:

http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=943

BrightAngel

I read a book called the don't go hungry diet and it's written by a scientist
and she says your set point can be reset by staying at the lower weight for a certain amount of time it will reset your set point.
People... including scientists... have different personal beliefs.
Many of them state ...

BrightAngel

I've had to keep adjusting my intake downward and my hunger levels have dropped.

There is a lot of variation.

I think the moral of the story is to try to be sensitive to and honest about your real hunger and satiety levels rather than the scale.
The less hungry you are, the less dense food you ...

BrightAngel

how does this plan work for everyone?
If everyone has 3 plates a day, and plates are roughly the same size,
how can a short small woman and a big tall man eat the same and both lose weight?
Clearly they are different heights and they won't need the same amount of calories,
but theoretically ...

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