Everyday Systems

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To quote the eloquent Dru, "DONE".

Warmest regards,
Peetie

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Hi Chaquitabanana,
I live in Orange County, CA and the book won't be in our local stores til later this week. So I went ahead and ordered off Amazon. I came to this site a long time ago to learn a sane way to maintain my weight. I have been up and down and in between for years, so I just wanted to ...

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Reinhard,
Methinks there really IS no such thing as bad publicity. Think of all the diet book writers who would give their last twinkie to have their book be photographed in that stack.

And the "experts" looked like they were just going for laughs, not the facts. And they got precious little of ...

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Hi Lieslie,
I did what you are doing. After years of dieting and bingeing, just wanted to find a way to maintain that was healthy and sane, yet relatively easy. And, lo and behold, I ended up losing an additional 10 lbs.

I am so excited for you, Reinhard. Guess nice guys don't finish last afterall ...

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Oh Reinhard, I am so happy to hear about the book. I am an oldie (and I hope a goodie). I was here a year or so ago, and even though I only had about 10 lbs. to lose, I needed to find a way to eat healthier. I was a feast or famine kind of gal.

Your three meals was the sanity I needed. I now ...

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Oh, Deb, let me wish you "good luck" in your NoS tweaking. Hope it isn't too late! I know that everyone was just concerned about you and supporting you in the way they thought best....to make sure you didn't take a wrong turn, since that was what they were worried about.

But you know what they say ...

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Hey Deb,
Thanks for the shout out! I haven't had much to contribute here lately, but am maintaining the ol' weight and feeling pretty well.

I do come here to gather more wisdom still, however. And check up on you also! I'm so glad to hear things are going better for you.

Look forward to hearing ...

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Donna, My opinion on the sugar issue is that if you think you're addicted to it, you are. But I've never read any studies proving there is an actual addiction factor in it.

I used to be the biggest sugar junkie on the planet, and would consume sweet things other people would just cringe at it was ...

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To quote the immortal words of the great philosophical genius, Nike:

"Just do it"

From someone who has been known to overthink way too much,

Peetie

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I remember reading a thread somewhere about people who took a tablespoon of coconut oil prior to a meal, and it made them feel full much faster. They, ofcourse, attributed this to miracle properties in coconut oil, but now I'm wondering if just having a tablespoon of fat before a meal might affect ...

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That sounds odd to me. Sugar water and heart healthy oils are such DIFFERENT things, and they have the same effect? This is to kill appetite?
I would think sugar water would pump it up. Tell me more please!

Peetie

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Hey, Richie.....Hope you have a most wonderful day. I never knew that March 29 was such a great day in our country's history. Now I know!

Much love and good luck for the next decade,
Peetie

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Hey, Deb, I'm glad working up some sweat made a difference. I've been in a funk myself since finding out my daughter will probably not be moving back for another 3 years as opposed to one. I even justified a big, ol' binge, but found like you that it didn't have the old antidepressant effect ...

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Here, here, Maria! I'm with you. And I LOVE diamonds and extravagant gifts from my sweetie, yet I don't think that makes me a bad person. My values are admired by many in my real life, and I do nice things for others at every opportunit. I don't think one has anything to do with the other. I was a ...

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Hi Deb,
This is Peetie from So. Calif. where it was 80 degrees today. Are we on the same planet? Daughter emailed pics from Virginia, and it really looks beautiful.

You know what they say, Deb. It's not if you fall off the horse that matters, it's how fast you getback on. And you are analyzing ...

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Marie,
I came to this site for exactly the same reason as you. I wanted some order to my disordered eating. I just wanted to maintain since I had been up and down for decades with dieting and bingeing.

I, agree with Deb, that you are lucky and smart to be doing this at such a young age. You will ...

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Wow, what wonderful advice you ladies have all given! And 3aDay, you were not rambling at all. Lots of pearls of wisdom in your post.

One thing I would like to add is a line I heard Dana Reeve (Christopher's wife) once say, "If you're depressed, do something nice for somebody." I tried that, and it ...

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Oh, Deb, I would offer you a bowl of prunes, but it sounds like that is the LAST thing you need!

Instead I will offer up a big cyber hug and tell you to just stay in the now more....don't worry about the future so much. Take care of today and you will feel more in control. Looking too far ahead ...

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Hey, Deb, icecream, water and dishwashing detergent sounds good to me! Seriously, tho, you gotta do what you gotta do to make it easier on yourself.

And I believe our bodies do built a tolerance to sweets over time, and looks like Richie has detoxed from them by just having them infrequently and ...

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Way to go W2BH!!!! Sounds like you are really getting with the program. I have also been on just about every diet on the planet and found they only increased my food obsession. Just what I DON'T need!!!

This is the closest to being normal around food I have been since I was a kid!
I'm glad you're ...

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Hey, Deb, I thought if my luck holds out I WILL be sinning!!!

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Gluttony, thy name is Peetie!!!

That is exactly why I came to NoS. I wanted to learn how to have a normal, moderate relationship with food. All the years of bingeing and starving had made me totally out of touch with true hunger and satiety. So, although I didn't want to diet in the strict sense of ...

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Hi Maria,
I absolutely relate to what you're saying. I had the same problem when I first started out, and Reinhard suggested I look at Saturday and Sunday as days I reward myself for being so good all week. So, I chose one reward food for each day. For example: Last weekend after dinner I had this ...

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Deb,
Will NoS give me your gorgeous smile? If you could bottle it, you'd make a fortune!!!!

Peetie

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Cynthia,
The part of NT that didn't work for me (among several) was if you even THINK you're hungry you should eat so your metabolism won't go into "famine mode". For somebody like me, who had really lost touch with my hunger and fullness signals due to years of bingeing and dieting, I found myself ...

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Oh, Deb, it's so good to hear you so optimistic again! You are a survivor, and I was sure you wouldn't be down for the count for long. I hate it when you're in the pits....prune pits ofcourse!

Love and optimism,
Peetie

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Carolejo,
I have the capacity of a truck driver! I have to be sure I eat enough and not unconsciously eat too little in an attempt to lose a little more. It always catches up with me when I do that, so I, like you, have to pay attention to make sure I eat enough, and that it will sustain me til the ...

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Hi Beth,
I thought I recognized your adorable little babies! It's funny how we can run into the same people in our quest to find the Holy grail of dieting! I can't thank you enough for steering me here.

I found that NT was a good place for me to start....it helped me to get away from the diet ...

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Hi Lisa,
Your story sounds very much like mine. Feast or famine. I came to NoS to normalize my eating and stabilize my weight. I was on the way back up...smack dab in the middle of my lowest weight and highest, and was just hoping to maintain, but ended up losing 5 lbs.

I've been doing this since ...

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Jan, I have the same dilema. I have some pure cocoa powder, but to make it palatable I must add sugar or artificial sweetener. Both have their negatives. I've been reading lately how healthy cocoa is...that cultures that drink lots of it have much less heart disease, but it is so bitter without ...

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Welcome home, Mo. I have found this plan is so great because it isn't overly restrictive, yet gives us enough structure to make it work. The nondiet plans I've tried in the past gave me too much rope, and I ended up hanging myself every time. Or wanting to hang the scale!

Slow and steady wins the ...

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I don't know what happened with my previous post....looks like I have gotten some sort of brain damage from too much dried fruit, but one of my paragraphs is rather gobbeldeegookey. Not my usual brilliant, articulate self. (Don't throw prunes, Deb)

Anyway, yes, I do remember that thread too, Deb ...

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Deb, Thank you for bowing to my expertise! Yes, prunes are still a fruit....dried plums to be exact. So the amount you describe is reasonable.
Anything to excess is not a good thing. Eating 5 grapefruit in one sitting doesn't sound healthy to me, but it's a very healthy fruit in it's prope time ...

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I have found that rather than slowing things down, longer spacing between feedings speeds things up. I think that's the point in time you burn fat. You have had enough time to burn through your last meal, so now your body can start working on fat stores.

It also seems that the "latest" diet news ...

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Thanks, Deb! I think "you're funny" and "you smell good" are two of my favorite compliments. Since you aren't in a position to judge the second, I am happy to get your positive words on the first.

Your future daughter in law,
Peetie

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Reinhard: Thanks for understanding the silence. I am finding at this point, that I am enjoying checking in on the board for inspiration and support, and if I see something that I can add to and maybe help somebody, I jump in. Helping others always reinforces the message to ourselves. One of those ...

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THanks, Richie! You made my day!
Love,
Peetie

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Richie!!! I just wrote to you on your thread. Thanks for remembering me. I've been kinda quiet lately because I've just been walking the walk as opposed to talking the talk about NOS. In plain English, I've been taking Nike's advice: JUST DO IT.

Good for you for doing another 21 days. You're a ...

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Hey, Richie, what's with you and Jan???? I thought you were MY little sweetie. Okay....I'll share. But begrudgingly!!!!!

You sound like you're doing great and a real inspiration for your mom.

I love oatmeal for just about any meal. I put raisins and walnuts and cinamon in it and pour a little ...

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Dru, I want to walk thru your door!!!! See's is my favorite. Isn't it amazing all that stuff can be there and you can pass it by? I still amaze myself that there is Costco cake in my freezer from months ago that I don't feel the need to inhale in one sitting. This moderation thing is cool. Who ...

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Carolejo, I am with you 100%. In my case, the reason I came here in the first place was just to get off the diet merry go round. I wanted to eat like a normal person and accept whatever body weight resulted. I was tired of starving to maintain a weight too low to comfortably sustain, and didn't like ...

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Annette, How excited about the adoption. I got my first grandchild a year ago, and I recommend it highly!!!

I too didn't have a whole lot to lose when I got here, but wanted to lose the diet mentality and all that goes with it. This has been the best. It really frees you up to have a life instead ...

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Deb,
I feel your pain regarding the insomnia. I have tried every natural possibility known to mankind. I am so frustrated! Nothing works. I went to the doc yesterday and decided to be a guinea pig for Lunesta which is supposedly nonaddictive and something you can take long term. Had a crappy night ...

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Hi Choxie,
You come in from that window ledge right now! Not necessary! You are already doing a lot better than you are giving yourself credit for.

It is SO hard to get away from the diet mentality, so I understand your concerns about "doing it right", but "right" in the NoS world gives you a whole ...

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Deb,
I was smoking prunes with my hippie friends. Now I AM a hippy friend!
Love,
Peetie

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Dru - Your parents are chefs and you don't weigh 500 lbs. That alone is a huge feat!

Jan - I grew up in the San Fernando Valley (which is scary now to drive through) and graduated in '67.

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SBD- Love your new mantra. It will serve you well. I personally have the appetite of a truck driver, so reasonable portions are always a challenge, but your body really does get USED TO having less just like it got used to having more!

Good luck.

Peetie

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Hi Lane,
I have been NoSing since June and it has been wonderful to actually live life instead of living a diet! The fact you already have felt the weight obsessing fall away shows you are a success.

I have been all up and down the scale, and joined up here when I was heading up again, just to ...

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Hi Cynthia,
I think since you weren't really hungry when you had breakfast, you could try to wait next time until you are hungry and then just have a later breakfast. That way you could eat something more substantial, and that should be able to hold you better til lunch.

Some people on this board ...

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Deb,
You make a very good point here. I think a lot of why I was bingeing before NoS is that I was hungry!!!! Plain and simple. The human body can only withstand true, physical hunger for so long, and then overcomensates with a wild, uncontrollable binge for survival.

I still have my emotional ...

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Ingrid,
You cracked me up with the sledgehammer in the closet remark. I hope its presence makes your husband be VERY nice to you!!!

And, yes 4 lbs. is wonderful. Don't let past diet failures deter you. They were unnatural ways of eating, and nobody can continue that for the long haul. NOS is a very ...

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With Deb's encouragement, I must weigh in on this subject. I LOVE prunes as a sweets substitute during the week. I cook them, though, so they are plumper and there is more of 'em. Then I use them as a sweetening device over yogurt, cottage cheese......much like dried fruit was mentioned previously ...

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Deb...I think you're onto something. The perfect senior birthday cake! Prune frosting with a high fiber cake.

And, Bob, you will be amazed, if you don't panic and run (been there done that many times in the food arena) you will find eventually you will actually want less of the sweet stuff. As long ...

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Bob,
Yes, but have you eaten a whole can of frosting in one sitting? I think you may have met your sweet tooth match.

Peetie

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Hi BB,
I had the exact same problem in the beginning. Reinhard suggested that I look at the treats as rewards for being good all week, and somehow, that made it feel less compulsive. A reward is usually more contained. A binge is more of an out of controlled thing....maybe it's just semantics, but ...

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Reinhard,
You are way too humble!!! Sure, ANY plan has a failure rate, people being as they are, but the whole reason WW, and other successful groups, have flourished is that they have repeat business. And people have to keep coming back and doing it all over. And over. And over.

I bet there's a ...

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I think that a lot of people may just have gone on with their lives now that they conquered their dieting and weight issues. I know I was posting quite a lot a first in all my enthusiasm, but have pretty much said most of what I had to say. I still read, and if there is something I feel I could add ...

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Judith,
My theory is that you aren't completely sure yet that you have found the answer, and until you do, you are hedging your bets. It's the same reason I kept my "fat" clothes in the closet for so long. Just recently I FINALLY came to believe that I am going to actually not need them again, and ...

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Mo, I had to laugh when I saw you may ask for a sledgehammer for your birthday. Now THERE'S a romantic gift!

As long as you are feeling so good and not struggling from meal to meal, I'd say that in itself makes NoS a winner for you. We all tend to focus on the weight loss and forget that all the ...

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Hi Mo,
To me it looks like you may not be eating enough and your metabolism is getting sluggish. The meals, as you describe them, seem awfully light. Atleast breakfast and lunch do. Have you tried adding some protein to breakfast and lunch in the form of eggs, chicken, fish or beef? Just a 4 oz ...

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I think the exercise portion is DEFINITELY a factor. I remember when I'd come home from school and went out to play...it included bike riding, roller skating and just plain running around. Today kids come IN to play, meaning sit on their butts for entertainment.

Peetie

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Thanks Azathoth for both your sympathy and suggestions. I could probably write my own book at this point on insomnia with all I've gleaned through the years, but I remain one of those stubborn ones who defy all logic. I did read recently that there is a subgroup of insomniacs for who the insomnia ...

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Patty,
I wrote you a nice little insomnia rant that I tried to send you in your private message box, but can't get it to leave my outbox. If you'd like, email me in my private box here on the board and maybe I can send a response back to you and make it work.

We don't want to put everyone to sleep ...

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Judy, I hope routine helps YOUR insomnia, but it hasn't done a thing for mine. I have the most routine life on the planet, but, for me, the insomnia seems more like a menopausal "gift". There is a small percentage of insomniacs that nothing seems to make a difference with....believe me, I've tried ...

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Ofcourse, I tried Intuition. Haven't missed many diets or nondiet plans. But, I agree with Reinhard in that these types of plans are too vague, and I found I needed more structure.

My body hunger signals have been so toyed with for so many years, I can't always trust it to signal TRUE hunger. Also ...

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Hi Judy,
To me, one of the big pluses of this plan is that it fits so nicely into any life. I would say just plan your three meals, evenly spaced whenever you have your waking hours. Then again, if you would find a more steady routine better, you can do that too.

There is somebody on this board ...

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Judy,
I think I see Reinhard's point about our dividing into subgroups. It could end up like a cyber version of high school with a bunch of little cliques, and we could miss out on things going on in other groups while ensconsed in our own.

I really don't think our issues are all that different ...

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Annolope,
I think expecting loss the first week is more of that "diet" thinking that we are all so accustomed to. The old...lose 7 lb.s in 7 days type of mentality. This is a life plan. A plan to normalize eating. To feel better. To not be obsessed about food. Some people probably lose the first ...

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I have the same problem from time to time and find a sliced apple and a glass of water gets me from Point A to Point B.

I also think it's okay to tweak a little as long as you stay with the basic structure of the program. I've mentioned before that I need a very small snack before bed, or it ...

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Sandy, when I first started this, my goal was to get off the diet/binge merry-go-round and eat like a normal person, and just maintain my weight. I decided to accept myself a few pounds heavier than I consider my ideal because I just didn't want to struggle with the food anymore.

Your husband ...

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I had the pleasure of speaking to Dru on the phone and she sounds like a hot, sexy California beach girl. Very sweet.

Too bad this medium doesn't include voices. It really does seem to personalize things.

Peetie

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I agree with Mo. I think one size doesn't necessarily fit all, but gives us a structure to base it all on. I, myself, have a very small snack just before bed because it helps me fall asleep better. Something like (get ready, Deb), a few cooked prunes....a piece of leftover something from dinner....a ...

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Wow, I feel like an instrument for good! Thanks for the acknowledgement, Mo. I am very happy to have preached the gospel of Reinhard and been heard!

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Plateauing is normal. I don't think our bodies could adjust if we kept losing consistently. The whole system needs a chance to rest. And, to me, Deb, success is measured in the fact we aren't bingeing our lives away the way I was doing.

You seem to know what to do to tweak things, but I do ...

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My very unscientific opinion is that pizza, and so many other fatty and carbie foods just plain taste good!!! It's pleasureable to taste something yummy. A plain, dry pizza crust would get the same "opiod" high, but we want our taste buds to dance so have it with tasty toppings which inviariably are ...

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Well, chocolate covered raisins exist in the civilized world. Remember bridge mix? I just had to send an email to the California Prune Board because I left a pot of prunes on the stove all day and DO NOT want to die from food poisoning transmitted from prunes. It would be the final humiliation. I ...

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Dru, That sounds delicious. I just got back from Trader Joe's with a fresh bag of the little buggers so I'd love that recipe. Just be sure to send Deb a copy too!

Love,
Peetie

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Flopsy, so much of our eating is habit pure and simple. And if habits can be made, they can also be changed. Just give it time....patience and noodging in alternate doses is helpful.

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Deb, All our jokes about prunes, and I have actually found that I love them cooked and over cottage cheese or yogurt. In my dieting days, this would have been a forced meal, but I find I actually like it....kinda sweet and sour...a metaphor for life!

What's interesting to me, is that by allowing ...

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Like Dru, I also had the same problem with waiting between meals. I had so bought into the snack all day school of thought, and gotten USED to it, that it was a tough habit to break. And it was a habit.

The problem I always had with those "non diet" approaches where you listen to your body, is my ...

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Hey, Dru, give yourself a break. Moving IS exercise. In days before all our modern conveniences, exercise wasn't something people had to "get", it was built into their daily lives. And that's what you're doing now. So, don't say you aren't getting exercise....you ARE, but it's coming to you instead ...

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Deb, I think you brought this conversation to a screetching hault!

Love,
Peetie

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Yeah. I thought it never gave your body time to burn anything off. And it gave me too much time with my obsession. I needed to get away from food and go live life, not visit it umpteen times a day.

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One more note about McDonald's before I become an inadvertent spokesperson, which is definitely not my goal in life! Years ago...before lawsuits and Supersize Me, McDonalds did have a couple healthy choices on their menu....one was a veggie burger and the other was a low fat burger, and sales were ...

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Good point, Deb. I think I'll stage a protest!

And while I'm here, I don't think intelligence has a thing to do with being thin.
Some of the biggest air heads on the planet are thin. It's absolutely a mixed bag of inside and outside influences, impulse control, too easy access. If you had to hunt ...

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I don't know what McDonalds is like outside of California, but out here, they have several choices that aren't half bad. They have a grilled chicken sandwhich and you can leave off anything you don't want on it, and several salads which are quite healthy with low fat Newman's Dressing. So, even at a ...

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This thread reminds me of words, I believe, from the Talmud (Deb, you're the religious scholar here, help me out!), "We don't see things as they are, we see them as WE are." And that is so true in life, in eating plans, in everything. We wear our own special rose or otherwise colored glasses and ...

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Deb, I second the emotion. Will miss you terribly if you are scarce around here. You made me feel SO welcome from Day One.

Hope you either get another hook up at home soon, or set up housekeeping at the library.

Love,
Peetie

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Dru,
Thank you so much. Is it actual yoga moves or just listening? I do find all that zen stuff so, well, zen!

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Thanks, Deb. I'll try anything at this point as long as it isn't illegal, immoral or fattening. Well, maybe the last two, but I'd look awful in an orange jump suit.

Love,
Peetie

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I'm sorry to hear that. I am a major insomniac. Every doctor I've seen I've left scratching his head with no solution except addictive meds and a subsequent trip to the Betty Ford Center to get off them and then wind up back to Square One.

I had tried every homegrown, herbal, natural, unnatural ...

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Reinhard,
I want to throw in my heartfelt happy birthday to you and a big, ol', sugar, snacks and seconds filled cyber hug. Thanks so much for this wonderful place and your brilliant ideas.

Hope next year at this time we will be cyber toasting your best seller!

A Gazillion happy returns,
Peetie

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Dru, I came here in a rather round about way. First I googled naturally thin and came upon NT, a non diet board that I worked for awhile, but it was lacking for me in several areas.

From there I heard about a TTapp board....an exercise board, but it had a nutrition thread, and there was one about ...

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Yes, CarrieAnn, as Dru duly noted, I am a cake afficionado. But guess what? Since doing NoS I can have one piece and be perfectly satisfied. It definitely helps to have it as dessert when I am already almost full. It's a lot harder to do this if my hunger meter is on 0 when I have my piece of heaven ...

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Carrie Ann, A recurring theme I see on this forum is that it gets EASIER instead of HARDER as you go along. So you don't need that big burst of enthusiasm to sustain itself.....the plan alone will help you do that because it is so simple. You get so comfortable with it so fast!

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Yes, Blue Daisy, quality is key. I don't settle for twinkies.....I will get a cupcake from a good bakery instead. There's no point in eating your treat on an S day if it doesn't really ring your chimes. And when the chimes get rung....amazingly, you actually get done!

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Day One is better than Day Zero. You're in the game! You can't win if you don't play the game.....and this is one that can really change your life. I've been here a few months and have already saved a small fortune in diet books.

Peetie

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Do not fret, Deb. Just take two prunes and call me in the morning.

Love,
Doctor Peetie

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Miss Louann, I've got 5 years on you, and I joined up here to basically maintain. And ended up losing 5 lbs. If I can maintain this weight without going up and down and all over the place, I will have succeeded in my mission. And so far....so good. My goal is to have ONE size in my closet for now ...

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Yes, Dru, let me tell you about ageing and changing bodies. Bah, humbug!!!
But the one upside is that you tend to look better as you age with a little more meat on your bones. In my younger years, I looked good with 5 or 10 pounds less on me, but today I look haggard and sickly if I drop to those ...

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